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Guest Post: Centers and the Hall of Fame

Today’s guest post comes from one of the longest followers of this blog (and its predecessor), Richie Wohlers. Richie is 44-year-old accountant from Southern California who is a Dolphins fan despite never being to Florida. As always, we thank our guest posters for contributing.


Last time, I took a look at linebackers in the NFL Hall of Fame. Today, I am going to investigate centers and the Hall of Fame.

As before, I am just taking a look at post-merger players by using some objective factors to try to get a picture of what a typical HOFer looks like. Those factors are All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Weighted AV, Total AV, Super Bowl Appearances and Super Bowl wins). I am going to classify all players into a single position for simplicity.

In the event a player played multiple positions, I will go with the position he earned the most AV at. So Ronnie Lott, for instance, will be classified as a Safety for my purposes. This seems to mostly be an issue for Cornerbacks, since most great cornerbacks seem to move to Safety as they age.

One difference this time is I am decreasing the value of multiple Super Bowl Appearances/wins. I think my previous assumption was giving too much weight to players who were in 3+ Super Bowls. If you are interested in knowing the details of my calculation, see this footnote. [1]Methodology: For All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Career AV and Total AV, I am looking at the average numbers for each player at his position. In an attempt to make the average HOFer at a position worth 100 … Continue reading

Centers

There have only been 6 post-merger centers inducted in the HOF.  At first glance, this seems low compared to the 20 linebackers.  But when you figure a typical team has 3 or 4 linebackers for every Center, the two positions seem to be reasonably well represented in the HOF.  I will go into more detail later when I look at the HOF from an “all positions” perspective in a future post.

Player Years Inducted
Jim Otto 1960-1974 1980
Jim Langer 1970-1981 1987
Mike Webster 1974-1990 1997
Dwight Stephenson 1980-1987 1998
Dermontti Dawson 1988-2000 2012
Mick Tingelhoff 1962-1978 2015

I’m not sure if it means anything, but it was interesting to note that 5 of the 6 centers played the majority of their careers in the AFC. Also, there are 2 Dolphins and 2 Steelers centers in the HOF.

Induction

First year: 2 players
Median: 4 years
Longest: 32 years (Mick Tingelhoff)

Drafted

First Rounders: none (2 second rounders)
Highest: 44th overall (Dermontti Dawson)
Lowest: Undrafted (3 players: Otto, Langer, Tinglehoff)
Median: 48th overall

It’s interesting to note that there have been 27 centers drafted in the first round, but none have had HOF careers yet, while half of all the HOFers were undrafted.

Honors

Most All-Pros: 10 (Jim Otto)
Fewest All-Pros: 4 (Jim Langer)
Average All-Pros: 6 (Dawson, e.g.)

Most Pro Bowls: 12 (Otto)
Fewest Pro Bowls: 5 (Dwight Stephenson)
Average Pro Bowls: 8 (Dawson, e.g.)

Approximate Value

Most weighted AV: 116 (Mike Webster)
Least weighted AV: 81 (Stephenson)
Average weighted AV: 99 (Dawson, e.g.)

Most total AV: 163 (Webster)
Least total AV: 91 (Stephenson)
Average total AV: 131 (Dawson, e.g.)

Super Bowls

Every HOF center played in a Super Bowl, but only 2 (40% – Langer and Webster) ever won a Super Bowl.  Four of them played in at least 2 Super Bowls.

Career Score

Highest: 125 (Webster)
Lowest: 62 (Stephenson)
Closest to Average (100): Otto (101)

What is the baseline HOFer?

Dwight Stephenson has the lowest total numbers amongst HOF centers.  But he only played 8 seasons, which is 4 fewer than the second-least (Otto).  So Stephenson’s score (62) is the lowest.  Tingelhoff’s score is the lowest on a per-season basis.  Every HOFer has at least 4 All-Pros and at least 5 Pro Bowls.  Everybody made a Super Bowl, but only 2 won one.  Stephenson had the lowest AV marks with 81 career and 91 total.

Who’s not in but should be?

No centers stand out as obvious HOF snubs by my system, based on the threshold that the HOF voters have set.  Nobody can match the 4 All-Pros that all inducted centers have.  There are quite a few centers who have hit the 6 Pro Bowl threshold.  Kevin Mawae leads the way with 8 Pro Bowls.

Mawae (64 career score) – He is the lowest-scoring player on the outside who is able to exceed Stephenson’s 62 career score.  Mawae has already been a multi-time HOF semi-finalist.  He’s short one All-Pro and never made it to a Super Bowl.  My system says he’s an unlikely HOFer.  But the fact that he’s already making it as a semi-finalist makes me think he’ll eventually get in.  If he does, he’ll just barely have a higher career score than Stephenson, but he played twice as many seasons as Stephenson.

Jay Hilgenberg (69) – Looks a lot like Mark Stepnoski (below).  He has one fewer Super Bowl/win, but makes up for it with 2 All-Pros and 2 more Pro Bowls.  Hilgenberg looks to be a little short, and with 4 other players from the 1985 Bears already in the HOF, seems unlikely.

Mark Stepnoski (72) – Has the Super Bowls, AV and even the Pro Bowls that the HOFers have.  But he never earned an All-Pro nod.  Each year he made the Pro Bowl, he lost out on the All-Pro to Dermontti Dawson except 1992 when he lost out to Bruce Matthews (who I am classifying as a guard).   PFR only has HOF ballots back to 2004, and he’s never made the list.

Next is a group of 4 center who have career scores in the low 80s, which would put them in the Tinglehoff range, and it took Mick 32 years to get into the HOF.

Jesse Sapolu (80)

Bart Oates (82) – Oates and Sapolu haven’t made the semi-finals from 2004-2016, despite being eligible all that time.  Neither has an All-Pro nod.  Both of their places on this list are due largely to their Super Bowl success.  Remember that Oates picked up a third Super Bowl win with the 49ers in 1994.  They both seem like unlikely HOFers.

Jeff Saturday (84) – Isn’t eligible yet.  His AV figures are better than Tom Nalen’s and put him just a hair below the top HOF centers.  His Super Bowls and honors are similar to Nalen’s.  If I had to guess, I would think that being Peyton Manning’s center for most of his career will be enough of an edge to eventually get him in the HOF.

Tom Nalen (85) – Tops my list and has been eligible for 4 years, but has not yet been a semi-finalist.  He has the Super Bowls, he has the AV, but it looks like he comes up a little short on the All Pro nods to attract voter attention.

There are 3 active centers who are creeping up the list: Ryan Kalil (45), Nick Mangold (43) and Maurkice Pouncey (37).

Kalil (10 years) and Mangold (11 years) have already played longer than Stephenson.  Pouncey (7 years) is just one year behind him.  All 3 players are way behind Stephenson in career score.  They all have a long way to go for HOF consideration.  But if Pouncey can double up what he’s already done in his career or if Kalil or Mangold can win a Super Bowl or two, they might be able to garner consideration.

Who will make it?

With only 6 modern centers in the HOF, it’s a little tough to figure out what the voters are looking for in a HOF center.   On the other hand, none have the All-Pro recognition that the current inductees have.  Are the voters willing to drop the threshold in that department?  Since they keep looking at Mawae, I think they will drop the All-Pro minimum.  My guess is that Mawae and Saturday get in eventually.

References

References
1 Methodology: For All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Career AV and Total AV, I am looking at the average numbers for each player at his position. In an attempt to make the average HOFer at a position worth 100 points, I am assigning a weight of 16.6 for each category (16.6 times 6 categories equals 99.6 points). If an average player had 5.7 All Pros I divided 16.6 to get 2.9. So each All Pro is worth 2.9 points at that position. Super Bowls are the exception. I’m just going with a straight points system. One appearance is 8 points, 2 appearances is 14 points, 3 appearances is 18 points, and then 2 more points for each additional appearance. Super Bowl wins are worth 12, 20, 26, 30 and then 2 more per additional win. I add them up for a “Career Score”.
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