Marty Schottenheimer

Trivia: Marty Schottenheimer, Andy Reid, or Both?

by Chase Stuart on February 26, 2019

Below are 17 questions, where the answer to each question is Marty Schottenheimer, Andy Reid, or both. All stats are through 2018 and regular season only, unless expressly noted otherwise.

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1. Which coach won more games?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer won an even 200 games, while Reid has 195 wins. This answer is likely to change by this time next year.

2. Which coach has a better career winning percentage?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer has a 0.613 winning percentage, going 200-126-1. Reid has a 0.611 winning percentage, going 195-124-1. This answer may change by this time next year, if Reid’s Chiefs go 11-5 or better.

3. Which coach won more division titles?

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Answer: Andy Reid. Reid’s teams won 9 division titles in 20 seasons, while Schottenheimer’s teams won 8 division titles in 20.5 seasons (Schottenheimer’s first head coaching job was as the interim coach for the 1-7 Browns in 1984, replacing Sam Rutigliano.

4. The best regular season of this coach’s career was followed by a playoff loss to Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and the Patriots.

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Answer: Both. Schottenheimer’s best mark was a 14-2 record as head coach of the 2006 Chargers, who lost to the Patriots in the Divisional Round of the postseason. Reid’s best mark was a 13-3 season with the 2004 Eagles, who lost in the Super Bowl to the Patriots.

5. This coach employed three minority assistants who would later become head coaches for the first time.

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Answer: Both, although with an asterisk. Tony Dungy and Herm Edwards were on Schottenheimer’s staff in Kansas City, and Hue Jackson was Schottenheimer’s running backs coach in Washington. Reid employed Todd Bowles, Leslie Frazier, and Ron Rivera in Philadelphia, who would all go on to become head coaches. The asterisk? Art Shell spent time on Schottenheimer’s staff both before and after his stints as head coach of the Raiders.

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6. This coach only missed the postseason 6 times.

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Answer: Andy Reid. With the Eagles, Reid missed the playoffs 5 times in 14 years, and he has missed the postseason just one time (a 9-7 season) in 6 seasons in Kansas City. Schottenheimer never missed the playoffs in four seasons in Cleveland (excluding his interim stint), and missed it just three times in 10 years in Kansas City. However, he missed the postseason his lone season in Washington and in 3 of 5 years in San Diego. So Reid wins this one, 6 to 7.

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7. Which coach won the AP Coach of the Year award most recently?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. Both coaches have won the award just once: Reid in 2002, and Schottenheimer in 2004.

8. Which coach won the most coaching awards from major sources other than the AP?

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Answer: Andy Reid. Reid was the Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year 3 times — in 2000, 2002, and 2018. He was also the Pro Football Weekly COTY in 2002, and the Maxwell Football Club COTY in 2000, 2002, 2010, and 2018. Schottenheimer was the Pro Football Weekly COTY in 2004, the Maxwell Football Club COTY in 2004, and the UPI AFC Coach of the Year in ’86 and ’95.

9. Which coach employed more guys who would go on to win Super Bowls as head coaches?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. Three of his assistant coaches would go on to win Super Bowls, as Tony Dungy (defensive backs coach), Bill Cowher (defensive coordinator), and Mike McCarthy (quarterbacks coach) were all on Schottenheimer’s staff with the Chiefs. In fact, in 1991, Cowher, Dungy, Bruce Arians, and Herm Edwards were all on the Chiefs. For Reid, he’s had 2 of his assistant coaches go on to win a Super Bowl. John Harbaugh was his special teams coach in Philadelphia and Doug Pederson followed him from Philadelphia to Kansas City before winning a title with the Eagles. Ron Rivera is still in the running for a third title (and nearly got one already), as is Matt Nagy.

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10. Which coach lost in the playoffs three times to the same legendary coach/quarterback combination?

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Answer: Both. Reid lost three times to Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and the Patriots: in ’04 with the Eagles and then in ’15 and then ’18 with the Chiefs. But Schottenheimer lost three times to Don Shula, Dan Marino, and the Dolphins, losing with the Browns in ’85, and the Chiefs in ’90 and ’94.

11. Which coach lost to the same Hall of Fame quarterback in the playoffs with two separate coaches?

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Answer: Both. Reid and the Eagles lost to Kurt Warner and the Rams (Mike Martz) in the 2001 NFC Championship Game, and then Kurt Warner and the Cardinals (Ken Whisenhunt) in the 2008 NFC Championship Game. Schottenheimer lost to John Elway, Dan Reeves, and the Broncos in the 1986 and 1987 AFC Championship Games, and then against to the Broncos and Elway — now under Mike Shanahan’s watch — in the 1997 playoffs.

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12. Which coach had their teams finish in the top 3 in points scored more often?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. The 1987 Browns ranked 3rd in points, the 2004 Chargers ranked 3rd, and the 2006 Chargers ranked 1st. For Reid, his 2018 Chiefs led the NFL in scoring, and his 2010 Eagles ranked 3rd.

13. Which coach had their teams finish in the top 3 in points allowed more often?

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Answer: Andy Reid. The 2001, 2002, and 2004 Eagles all ranked 2nd in points allowed; the 2014 Chiefs did as well, and the 2015 Chiefs ranked 3rd. Meanwhile, Schottenheimer’s ’95 and ’97 Chiefs led the league in points allowed, but his ’87 Browns (2nd) were the only other top-3 scoring defense.

14. Which coach lost a heartbreaker to the Colts in the playoffs, but not with Peyton Manning at quarterback?

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Answer: Both. Reid and the Chiefs lost to Andrew Luck and the 2013 Colts 45-44, when Kansas City blew a 28-point lead. Schottenheimer and the Chiefs lost to Jim Harbaugh and the Colts 10-7, as 8-point favorites, in one of the several postseason losses Schottenheimer endured surrounding missed field goals.

15. Which coach had more individual quarterbacks win at least 8 games in a season?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. He had 9 different quarterbacks finish at least 4 games above .500 in a season. He won 14 games with Philip Rivers in ’06, 13 with Steve Bono in ’95, 12 with Bernie Kosar in ’86, 11 with Drew Brees in ’04, 11 with Steve DeBerg in ’90, and 10 with Dave Krieg in ’92. He also went 9-5 with Joe Montana (’94), 8-2 with Elvis Grbac (’97), and 8-6 with Tony Banks (’01). Reid is no slouch, having achieved notable success with four different quarterbacks: he won 13 with Donovan McNabb in ’04, 12 with Patrick Mahomes in ’18, 11 with Alex Smith in ’13, ’15, and ’16, and went 8-3 with Michael Vick in 2010.

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16. Which coach lost more often to the eventual Super Bowl Champion in the playoffs?

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Answer: Andy Reid. His Eagles lost to the ’02 Bucs, ’04 Patriots, and ’10 Packers, while his Chiefs this year lost to the ’18 Patriots. Schottenheimer’s teams only lost to one eventual Super Bowl champion: the ’97 Broncos.

17. Which coach has a better winning percentage with the Chiefs in the postseason?

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Answer: Marty Schottenheimer. He went 3-7 (.300) with the Chiefs, while Andy Reid is 2-5 (.286).

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The Schottenheimer Index

by Chase Stuart on January 29, 2013

in Coaches, History, Statgeekery

Marty checking to make sure the pilot light is out.

Marty inquires as to whether Felix Wright's pilot light is out.

Last week, Neil brought us the latest iteration of the Manning Index, showing which quarterbacks have overachieved in the playoffs relative to expectation (based off of the Vegas line). I’m going to do the same today for coaches. A couple of introductory notes:

Neil described the exact methodology in his quarterbacks post, so I won’t waste time repeating it. However, I wanted to look at coaches over an even longer period, and 1950 sounded like a good cut-off. ^[1]Note that coaches, like Paul Brown, who coached before 1950 are included, but their pre-1950 stats are not. Since we don’t have point-spread data for games from 1950 to 1977 ^[2]One other piece of fine print: for the Super Bowls, I used the actual Vegas lines, since those are readily available., I simply used the projected point spread based on the differential between each team’s SRS ratings and by awarding the home team three points. So for pre-1977 games, coaches are credited with wins over expectation based on the SRS, and for post-1977, for wins over expectation based on the Vegas line. Here are the results.
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↑1	Note that coaches, like Paul Brown, who coached before 1950 are included, but their pre-1950 stats are not.
↑2	One other piece of fine print: for the Super Bowls, I used the actual Vegas lines, since those are readily available.

Tagged as: Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, John Harbaugh, Marty Schottenheimer, Paul Brown, Playoffs, Tom Coughlin

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