Today I want to compare how Eli Manning has fared, statistically, to the rest of the NFL. Manning was the first pick in the 2004 Draft, and so I looked at all passing stats in the NFL from 2004 through week 2 of the 2019 season. [continue reading…]
A few years ago, I looked at Eli Manning and the HOF in the context of an ANY/A Gray Ink test. What do I mean by that? Here’s what I did:
- Step 1) Calculate each quarterback’s ANY/A for each season of his career where he had enough pass attempts to qualify for the passing title (14 attempts per team game). ANY/A, of course, is calculated as follows: (Passing Yards + PassTDs * 20 – INTs * 45 – Sack Yards Lost) / (Pass Attempts + Sacks).
- Step 2) For each quarterback, award him 10 points if he led the league in ANY/A, 9 points if he finished 2nd, 8 points if he finished 3rd, … and 1 point if he finished 10th. A quarterback receives 0 points if he does not finish in the top 10 in ANY/A or does not have enough pass attempts to qualify.
- Step 3) For each quarterback, add his “points” from each season to produce a career grade.
I decided to update that post (written in 2014) and make a few changes.
1) I have included the results from the last four seasons.
2) I included sack data from 1960 to 1968, using estimated individual sack data based on team sack data.
3) I have lumped together the AAFC/AFL with the NFL in each season as if it was all one big league.
4) I have pro-rated the values based on the number of qualifying passers in each season. So let’s say a player ranks 4th in ANY/A in 2017, where there were 32 qualifying passers. He gets the average of 7 points and 7 points * 32 divided by 32, which is of course just 7 points. Now, let’s say a player ranks 4th in ANY/A in a 10-team league. He gets the average of 7 points and 7 points * 10/32 (2.18), which is 4.6 points. This is not a special formula, but a “good enough” metric that helps discredit players in smaller leagues, but not overly so (hence the average idea).
Okay, enough words. Here are the results. I have also included the raw totals, so you can see what happens if I didn’t pro-rate the values. Finally, I subjectively included some HOF labels at the end: actually in the HOF (not very subjective), Future HOFer, Borderline, and then either Not Eligible or a No for the HOF.
Rk | Player | First Yr | Last Yr | Raw Score | Pro Score | HOF |
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1 | Peyton Manning | 1998 | 2015 | 109 | 110.8 | Fut HOF |
2 | Dan Marino | 1983 | 1999 | 96 | 90.9 | HOF |
3 | Joe Montana | 1979 | 1994 | 82 | 77.5 | HOF |
4 | Tom Brady | 2000 | 2017 | 77 | 77.3 | Fut HOF |
5 | Drew Brees | 2001 | 2017 | 76 | 76.7 | Fut HOF |
6 | Brett Favre | 1991 | 2010 | 68 | 67.2 | HOF |
7 | Johnny Unitas | 1956 | 1973 | 87 | 66.2 | HOF |
8 | Dan Fouts | 1973 | 1987 | 68 | 63.9 | HOF |
9 | Y.A. Tittle | 1948 | 1964 | 89 | 63.6 | HOF |
10 | Steve Young | 1985 | 1999 | 64 | 61.6 | HOF |
11 | Fran Tarkenton | 1961 | 1978 | 71 | 60.2 | HOF |
12 | Norm Van Brocklin | 1949 | 1960 | 81 | 55.8 | HOF |
13 | Aaron Rodgers | 2005 | 2017 | 53 | 53.6 | Fut HOF |
14 | Otto Graham | 1946 | 1955 | 78 | 53.4 | HOF |
15 | Sammy Baugh | 1937 | 1952 | 87 | 51.6 | HOF |
16 | Roger Staubach | 1969 | 1979 | 55 | 48.3 | HOF |
17 | Philip Rivers | 2004 | 2017 | 47 | 47.4 | Border |
18 | Ben Roethlisberger | 2004 | 2017 | 45 | 45.5 | Fut HOF |
19 | Bobby Layne | 1948 | 1962 | 62 | 42.6 | HOF |
20 | Bart Starr | 1956 | 1971 | 52 | 42.1 | HOF |
21 | Ken Anderson | 1971 | 1986 | 46 | 40.5 | Border |
22 | Kurt Warner | 1998 | 2009 | 39 | 39.5 | HOF |
23 | Tony Romo | 2006 | 2016 | 39 | 39.5 | Border |
24 | Terry Bradshaw | 1970 | 1983 | 42 | 38.7 | HOF |
25 | Sonny Jurgensen | 1957 | 1974 | 45 | 38.4 | HOF |
26 | Charlie Conerly | 1948 | 1961 | 57 | 38.2 | No |
27 | Trent Green | 1997 | 2008 | 37 | 37.5 | No |
28 | Troy Aikman | 1989 | 2000 | 39 | 37.0 | HOF |
29 | Boomer Esiason | 1984 | 1997 | 39 | 36.5 | No |
30 | Len Dawson | 1957 | 1975 | 40 | 33.5 | HOF |
31 | John Hadl | 1962 | 1977 | 39 | 32.5 | No |
32 | John Elway | 1983 | 1998 | 32 | 30.8 | HOF |
33 | Tommy Thompson | 1940 | 1950 | 46 | 29.7 | No |
34 | Warren Moon | 1984 | 2000 | 31 | 28.9 | HOF |
35 | Milt Plum | 1957 | 1969 | 37 | 28.2 | No |
36 | John Brodie | 1957 | 1973 | 33 | 28.1 | No |
37 | Carson Palmer | 2004 | 2017 | 27 | 27.6 | Not El. |
38 | Billy Kilmer | 1961 | 1978 | 33 | 27.5 | No |
39 | Daryle Lamonica | 1963 | 1974 | 32 | 27.4 | No |
40 | Sid Luckman | 1939 | 1950 | 43 | 26.2 | HOF |
41 | Jim Hart | 1966 | 1984 | 30 | 25.9 | No |
42 | Matt Ryan | 2008 | 2017 | 26 | 25.7 | Border |
43.5 | Bob Griese | 1967 | 1980 | 29 | 24.8 | HOF |
43.5 | Joe Namath | 1965 | 1977 | 29 | 24.8 | HOF |
45 | Jim Kelly | 1986 | 1996 | 26 | 24.5 | HOF |
46 | Ken Stabler | 1970 | 1984 | 27 | 23.5 | HOF |
47 | Vinny Testaverde | 1987 | 2007 | 24 | 23.4 | No |
48 | Roman Gabriel | 1962 | 1977 | 28 | 23.3 | No |
49 | Bob Waterfield | 1945 | 1952 | 36 | 23.2 | HOF |
50 | Craig Morton | 1965 | 1982 | 26 | 22.6 | No |
51 | Daunte Culpepper | 2000 | 2009 | 22 | 22.3 | No |
52 | Rich Gannon | 1987 | 2004 | 22 | 22.1 | No |
53 | Jeff Garcia | 1999 | 2008 | 22 | 22.0 | No |
54 | Dave Krieg | 1980 | 1998 | 23 | 21.4 | No |
55 | Frankie Albert | 1946 | 1952 | 31 | 21.2 | No |
56 | Bert Jones | 1973 | 1982 | 24 | 21.1 | No |
57 | Brad Johnson | 1994 | 2008 | 20 | 20.3 | No |
58 | Tobin Rote | 1950 | 1966 | 29 | 20.3 | No |
59 | Earl Morrall | 1956 | 1976 | 25 | 20.2 | No |
60 | Mark Brunell | 1994 | 2011 | 20 | 20.1 | No |
61 | Mark Rypien | 1988 | 2001 | 21 | 20.0 | No |
62 | Billy Wade | 1954 | 1966 | 28 | 20.0 | No |
63 | Don Meredith | 1960 | 1968 | 24 | 19.9 | No |
64 | Jim Everett | 1986 | 1997 | 21 | 19.6 | No |
65 | Matt Hasselbeck | 1999 | 2015 | 18 | 18.3 | Not El. |
66 | Matt Schaub | 2004 | 2016 | 18 | 18.0 | Not El. |
67 | Chad Pennington | 2000 | 2010 | 18 | 18.0 | No |
68 | Steve McNair | 1995 | 2007 | 18 | 17.9 | Border |
69 | Brian Sipe | 1974 | 1983 | 19 | 17.8 | No |
70 | Bernie Kosar | 1985 | 1996 | 19 | 17.7 | No |
71 | Russell Wilson | 2012 | 2017 | 17 | 17.6 | Border |
72 | Donovan McNabb | 1999 | 2011 | 17 | 17.1 | Border |
73 | Joe Theismann | 1974 | 1985 | 18 | 16.9 | No |
74 | Chris Chandler | 1988 | 2004 | 17 | 16.7 | No |
75 | George Blanda | 1949 | 1975 | 21 | 16.4 | HOF |
76 | Bobby Thomason | 1949 | 1957 | 24 | 16.3 | No |
77 | Norm Snead | 1961 | 1976 | 19 | 16.2 | No |
78 | Joe Ferguson | 1973 | 1990 | 18 | 16.1 | No |
79 | Bill Kenney | 1980 | 1988 | 17 | 15.9 | No |
80 | Jeff George | 1990 | 2001 | 15 | 15.3 | No |
81 | Bill Nelsen | 1963 | 1972 | 18 | 15.3 | No |
82 | George Ratterman | 1947 | 1956 | 22 | 15.2 | No |
83 | Jake Plummer | 1997 | 2006 | 15 | 15.1 | No |
84 | Phil Simms | 1979 | 1993 | 16 | 15.0 | No |
85 | Parker Hall | 1939 | 1946 | 26 | 14.3 | No |
86 | Neil Lomax | 1981 | 1988 | 15 | 14.0 | No |
87.5 | Tom Flores | 1960 | 1969 | 17 | 13.9 | No |
87.5 | Ed Brown | 1954 | 1965 | 21 | 13.9 | No |
89 | Babe Parilli | 1952 | 1969 | 17 | 13.6 | No |
90 | Bobby Hebert | 1985 | 1996 | 15 | 13.5 | No |
91 | Scott Mitchell | 1992 | 2001 | 14 | 13.4 | No |
92 | Vince Ferragamo | 1977 | 1986 | 14 | 13.3 | No |
93 | Charley Johnson | 1961 | 1975 | 15 | 12.8 | No |
94 | Danny White | 1976 | 1988 | 13 | 12.3 | No |
95 | Lynn Dickey | 1971 | 1985 | 13 | 12.2 | No |
96 | Greg Landry | 1968 | 1984 | 14 | 11.9 | No |
97 | Ron Jaworski | 1974 | 1989 | 12 | 11.6 | No |
98 | Frank Ryan | 1958 | 1970 | 14 | 11.5 | No |
99 | Johnny Lujack | 1948 | 1951 | 17 | 11.4 | No |
100 | Cecil Isbell | 1938 | 1942 | 20 | 11.3 | No |
101 | Archie Manning | 1971 | 1984 | 12 | 11.2 | No |
102 | Steve Grogan | 1975 | 1990 | 12 | 11.2 | No |
103 | Nick Foles | 2012 | 2017 | 10 | 10.8 | Not El. |
104 | Randall Cunningham | 1985 | 2001 | 11 | 10.6 | Border |
105 | Steve Bartkowski | 1975 | 1986 | 11 | 10.5 | No |
106 | Steve DeBerg | 1978 | 1998 | 11 | 10.3 | No |
107 | Chris Miller | 1987 | 1999 | 11 | 10.3 | No |
108 | Tony Eason | 1983 | 1990 | 11 | 10.2 | No |
109 | Jared Goff | 2016 | 2017 | 10 | 10.0 | Not El. |
110 | Kirk Cousins | 2012 | 2017 | 10 | 9.9 | Not El. |
111 | Erik Kramer | 1987 | 1999 | 10 | 9.7 | No |
112 | James Harris | 1969 | 1979 | 11 | 9.4 | No |
113 | Doug Williams | 1978 | 1989 | 10 | 9.4 | No |
114 | Jim Zorn | 1976 | 1987 | 10 | 9.4 | No |
115 | Davey O'Brien | 1939 | 1940 | 17 | 9.3 | No |
116.5 | Andy Dalton | 2011 | 2017 | 9 | 9.3 | Not El. |
116.5 | Brian Griese | 1998 | 2008 | 9 | 9.3 | No |
118 | Tommy Kramer | 1977 | 1990 | 10 | 9.2 | No |
119 | David Garrard | 2002 | 2010 | 9 | 9.1 | No |
120 | Eli Manning | 2004 | 2017 | 9 | 9.1 | Border |
121 | Eddie LeBaron | 1952 | 1963 | 13 | 8.9 | No |
122 | Michael Vick | 2001 | 2015 | 9 | 8.9 | Not El. |
123 | Jim Finks | 1949 | 1955 | 13 | 8.8 | No |
124 | Josh McCown | 2002 | 2017 | 8 | 8.6 | Not El. |
125 | Paul Christman | 1945 | 1950 | 14 | 8.6 | No |
126 | Rudy Bukich | 1953 | 1968 | 10 | 8.4 | No |
127 | Jay Schroeder | 1985 | 1994 | 9 | 8.4 | No |
128 | Greg Cook | 1969 | 1973 | 10 | 8.3 | No |
129 | Matthew Stafford | 2009 | 2017 | 8 | 8.1 | Not El. |
130 | Pat Haden | 1976 | 1981 | 9 | 8.0 | No |
132.5 | Alex Smith | 2005 | 2017 | 8 | 8.0 | Not El. |
132.5 | Robert Griffin | 2012 | 2016 | 8 | 8.0 | Not El. |
132.5 | Kerry Collins | 1995 | 2011 | 8 | 8.0 | No |
132.5 | Doug Flutie | 1986 | 2005 | 8 | 8.0 | No |
135 | Paul Governali | 1946 | 1948 | 12 | 7.9 | No |
136 | Frank Filchock | 1938 | 1950 | 13 | 7.9 | No |
137 | Dak Prescott | 2016 | 2017 | 8 | 7.8 | Not El. |
139 | Craig Erickson | 1992 | 1997 | 8 | 7.6 | No |
139 | Ken O'Brien | 1984 | 1993 | 8 | 7.6 | No |
139 | Frankie Sinkwich | 1943 | 1947 | 13 | 7.6 | No |
141 | Neil O'Donnell | 1991 | 2003 | 8 | 7.5 | No |
142 | Steve Beuerlein | 1988 | 2003 | 7 | 7.2 | No |
143 | Cam Newton | 2011 | 2017 | 7 | 7.2 | Border |
144 | Andrew Luck | 2012 | 2016 | 7 | 7.1 | Not El. |
145 | Gus Frerotte | 1994 | 2008 | 7 | 7.0 | No |
146 | Damon Huard | 1998 | 2008 | 7 | 7.0 | No |
147 | Jeff Hostetler | 1988 | 1997 | 7 | 6.8 | No |
148 | Jim Harbaugh | 1987 | 2000 | 7 | 6.8 | No |
149 | Jim McMahon | 1982 | 1996 | 7 | 6.6 | No |
150 | Wade Wilson | 1981 | 1998 | 7 | 6.6 | No |
The future HOFers rank 1-4-5-13-18 by this litmus test: there’s not much to debate there.
Among the actual HOFers, only George Blanda — who is probably the least qualified quarterback of the “modern” era to make the HOF — ranks outside of the top 50. Bob Waterfield and Ken Stabler are the next lowest quarterbacks, and that’s consistent with how I’d view them. As a litmus test, this does a decent job for being a (somewhat) quick and dirty way to measure HOF play.
Among the Not Eligible guys, only Carson Palmer is in the top 60. He ranks 37th, on the back of a #1 season in 2015 with the Cardinals (+10.3 points, since there were 34 qualifying passers that year), a #3 season with the Bengals in 2005 (+8.25, also 34), and a 6th and 7th rankings in ’06 and ’14 (+5, +4.06). That’s not really a HOF career by any stretch, but it’s a memorable career.
Among the pure no guys — those who have been passed over and didn’t receive my subjective borderline label — you have Charlie Conerly at 26, Trent Green at 27, Boomer Esiason at 29, John Hadl at 31, Tommy Thompson at 33, and Milt Plum at 35. All good quarterbacks, occasionally great ones, who are HOVG (at worst) type players.
And then we get to the borderline guys. I gave 10 players that label, including three guys who entered the league in the last ten years and who are probably too young to really evaluate. Among the other 7…
Philip Rivers, Ken Anderson, and Tony Romo all are in the top 25, and make sense to be discussed together. None of the three won a Super Bowl, all three had fantastic efficiency numbers, and all three are more favored by the analytics crowd than the non-analytics crowd. Statistically, based on regular season efficiency, all three are clear HOF players. But, of course, that’s not the HOF test.
Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb, and Randall Cunningham are all borderline guys, too, and are underrated by an analysis like this that ignores rushing. They rank 68th, 72nd, and 104th. McNair (2003) and Cunningham (1998) each have a first place finish in ANY/A, while McNabb has a 2nd (2006) and 3rd (2004) place spot. McNair also has a 5th (2001) and a 9th (1999), while Cunningham has a 10th (1990), but that’s it, and that’s the problem. McNabb and McNair each have three finishes at 11 or 12 (worth zero) and McNabb has three more at 13/14; this analysis ignores solid seasons and rushing, which is going to hurt these guys a lot.
And then, of course, we get to Eli Manning. He was the inspiration for this post three years ago, and not much has changed since. Manning has a a 5th-place finish from 2011 (+6.1), and three 10th place finishes (2009, 2012, and 2015, each worth 1 point). He also has a 12th (2014) and a 13th (2010) place finish, but those are his only other top-15 seasons. Manning performs horribly in the ANY/A Gray Ink test for HOFers. He’s far behind Blanda, let alone the Stabler/Waterfield floor of quarterbacks.
The graph below shows the data data but with color-coded labels: black for HOF or future HOFer,red for not in, orange for not eligible, and large green dots for the borderline guys. The running quarterbacks (McNair, McNabb, Cunningham, and Newton) are at the back of the pack with Manning (the second farthest dot to the right); the three “stats stars” are to the left, and then you have Ryan who currently ranks just outside of the top 40 (the X-Axis is rank; the Y-Axis is prorated value).
What do you guys think?
If you squint, you can see it. New York lost Odell Beckham and Brandon Marshall for the season before the team even won its first game. Both players will be back, along with 24-year-old Sterling Shepard and not-yet-24-year-old Evan Engram. The Giants also signed Cody Latimer and added a quality left tackle in veteran Nate Solder. New York made the playoffs two years ago, and while Eli Manning had one of the worst seasons of his career in 2017, you can see a high-level functioning offense with new head coach Pat Shurmur, new OC Mike Shula, Manning, Beckham/Marshall/Shephard/Engram, and rookie RB Saquon Barkley.
But I’d be floored if the Giants took a RB with the second overall pick. In my opinion, New York is going to trade the second pick for a king’s ransom or draft a quarterback. And it’s because the Giants have an aging, below-average quarterback as their QB1, and that’s true even though his name is Manning.
Even if you ignored 2017 due to all of the injuries the Giants offense experienced, it’s not like there would be a lot of reason for optimism about how well Manning would play into his late 30s. Why’s that?
1) At age 35 in 2016, Manning was below-average, ranking 22nd out of 31 qualifying passers in ANY/A.
2) Manning was born on January 3rd, making him “old for his age” if you know what I mean. Had Manning been born four days earlier, he would have been considered 36 in 2016, 37 in 2017, and 38 this season.
3) Even if you give Manning the benefit of the doubt and ignore his 2017 performance and the fact that he’s old for his age, we wouldn’t expect a below-average QB at age 35 to be average at age 37, much less average at age 38 or 39. You would expect a QB to lose about 0.5 ANY/A from age 35 to age 37, and it’s not like Manning started from a very high porch.
Since Manning didn’t have much left to lose, the effects of age will likely hit him hard. The graph below shows Manning’s RANY/A — i.e., his Relative ANY/A, which is just ANY/A minus league average ANY/A — for each year of his career. He had sustained regular season success for a five-year period from 2008 to 2012, and another mini-peak in 2014 and 2015, but the graph doesn’t pain the picture of a quarterback who will be a difference maker in 2018 or 2019 as his physical skills decline. [continue reading…]
The common argument for why Manning should make the Hall of Fame is that he and the Giants won two Super Bowls, knocking off the legendary Patriots both times. And in the modern era (i.e., ignoring Tobin Rote), only Jim Plunkett has won two Super Bowls and not made the Hall of Fame. That’s true, but it’s also a wildly misleading way of looking at things. If you want to argue that Manning should make the Hall of Fame, that’s a good way to frame your argument, but that’s thinking more like a defense attorney and less like a judge.
Here’s another way to think about it: every single quarterback in the Hall of Fame has been named a first-team All-Pro at least once in their career, except for one quarterback. And that one quarterback was a no doubt Hall of Famer who also won an MVP trophy.
Two years ago, I wrote about how — statistically speaking — Eli Manning’s Hall of Fame case falls far short. Today, let’s look not at statistics, but at how sportswriters (i.e., those people who vote for things like the Hall of Fame) viewed these quarterbacks during their careers. If you include Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, there are 29 Hall of Fame quarterbacks who entered the NFL in the last 70 years.
Of that group, 16 have been named an MVP by the Associated Press: Peyton Manning (5 times); Johnny Unitas (3); Brett Favre (3); Joe Montana (2); Steve Young (2); Tom Brady (2); Aaron Rodgers (2); Kurt Warner (2); Dan Marino (1); Fran Tarkenton (1); Y.A. Tittle (1); Ken Stabler (1); Bart Starr (1); John Elway (1); Norm Van Brocklin (1); and Terry Bradshaw (1). [continue reading…]
Let’s worry about axes and labels later. For now, take a look at the graph below. The red dots represent Hall of Fame quarterbacks (or players not yet eligible but very likely to wind up in Canton). The blue dots represent non-HOF quarterbacks. The black dot? That’s Eli Manning.
Okay, so what the heck is this chart? What it’s *not*, is the most sophisticated way to measure the value of a quarterback. Instead, it’s a quick-and-dirty method I calculated to measure quarterback dominance.
- Step 1) Calculate each quarterback’s ANY/A for each season of his career where he had enough pass attempts to qualify for the passing title (14 attempts per team game). ANY/A, of course, is calculated as follows: (Passing Yards + PassTDs * 20 – INTs * 45 – Sack Yards Lost) / (Pass Attempts + Sacks).
- Step 2) For each quarterback, award him 10 points if he led the league [1]For purposes of this post, I have excluded AAFC stats, but combined the AFL and NFL as one league. in ANY/A, 9 points if he finished 2nd, 8 points if he finished 3rd, … and 1 point if he finished 10th. A quarterback receives 0 points if he does not finish in the top 10 in ANY/A or does not have enough pass attempts to qualify.
- Step 3) For each quarterback, add his “points” from each season to produce a career grade.
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↑1 | For purposes of this post, I have excluded AAFC stats, but combined the AFL and NFL as one league. |
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This week at the New York Times, I examine the brothers Manning:
Twenty months ago, Eli Manning and the Giants won the Super Bowl at Lucas Oil Field in Indianapolis, the home stadium of his All-Pro brother, Peyton. This year, Peyton seems poised to return the favor. No team is hotter through four weeks than the Denver Broncos. Although five teams are undefeated, the Broncos’ scorched-earth pace makes them the front-runners for the Super Bowl at MetLife Stadium.
At least, that is how it appears. The Broncos have outscored opponents by an average of 22 points. The Patriots are 4-0, too, but New England has won by 8 points a game. As it turns out, that differential means the Broncos are much more likely to be the better team over the rest of the season.
Consider that from 1990 to 2012, 66 teams began the season 4-0; on average, those teams won a more modest 61 percent of their games over the final three-quarters of the season. In other words, a perfect start to the season does not guarantee much, to which the 2012 Arizona Cardinals can attest.
By looking at points allowed and points scored, we can get more precise estimates of how many wins we can expect from a team over the rest of the season. Using the 66 undefeated teams to start the season since 1990, a linear regression model — using points scored and points allowed as the two input variables — has the Broncos winning 13.5 games this season, well ahead of the Patriots. (Of course, the regression model does not know that the Patriots will be getting Rob Gronkowski and Danny Amendola back from injury.)
You can read the full article here.
Year | QBrec | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yards | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | Y/A | Y/C | PRate | ESPN QBR | Sk | Yds | NY/A | ANY/A | Sk% |
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2004 | 1-6-0 | 95 | 197 | 48.2 | 1043 | 6 | 3.0 | 9 | 4.6 | 5.3 | 11.0 | 55.4 | 13 | 83 | 4.57 | 3.21 | 6.2 | |
2005 | 11-5-0 | 294 | 557 | 52.8 | 3762 | 24 | 4.3 | 17 | 3.1 | 6.8 | 12.8 | 75.9 | 28 | 184 | 6.12 | 5.63 | 4.8 | |
2006 | 8-8-0 | 301 | 522 | 57.7 | 3244 | 24 | 4.6 | 18 | 3.4 | 6.2 | 10.8 | 77.0 | 25 | 186 | 5.59 | 4.99 | 4.6 | |
2007 | 10-6-0 | 297 | 529 | 56.1 | 3336 | 23 | 4.3 | 20 | 3.8 | 6.3 | 11.2 | 73.9 | 27 | 217 | 5.61 | 4.82 | 4.9 | |
2008* | 12-4-0 | 289 | 479 | 60.3 | 3238 | 21 | 4.4 | 10 | 2.1 | 6.8 | 11.2 | 86.4 | 62.56 | 27 | 174 | 6.06 | 6.00 | 5.3 |
2009 | 8-8-0 | 317 | 509 | 62.3 | 4021 | 27 | 5.3 | 14 | 2.8 | 7.9 | 12.7 | 93.1 | 69.75 | 30 | 216 | 7.06 | 6.89 | 5.6 |
2010 | 10-6-0 | 339 | 539 | 62.9 | 4002 | 31 | 5.8 | 25 | 4.6 | 7.4 | 11.8 | 85.3 | 65.88 | 16 | 117 | 7.00 | 6.09 | 2.9 |
2011* | 9-7-0 | 359 | 589 | 61.0 | 4933 | 29 | 4.9 | 16 | 2.7 | 8.4 | 13.7 | 92.9 | 59.39 | 28 | 199 | 7.67 | 7.45 | 4.5 |
2012* | 9-7-0 | 321 | 536 | 59.9 | 3948 | 26 | 4.9 | 15 | 2.8 | 7.4 | 12.3 | 87.2 | 67.39 | 19 | 136 | 6.87 | 6.59 | 3.4 |
Career | 78-57-0 | 2612 | 4457 | 58.6 | 31527 | 211 | 4.7 | 144 | 3.2 | 7.1 | 12.1 | 82.7 | 213 | 1512 | 6.43 | 5.94 | 4.6 |
In 2011, Eli Manning threw for 4,933 yards and won the Super Bowl. Last year, he threw for 3948 yards and missed the playoffs. It’s tempting to think that something was “wrong” with Manning last year. Another narrative would be that 2011 was a career year far out of line with anything else he’s done, which would make 2012 was the real Manning. I’m not sure I buy either of those explanations.
Let’s start by comparing Manning’s numbers in 2011 and 2012. Yes, his passing yards dropped, but that’s a meaningless metric on its own. He threw 53 fewer passes in 2012, a partial explanation for why his yards declined. And while his yards per attempt did drop from 8.4 to 7.4, about 20% of that dip was mitigated by the fact that he took fewer sacks (his Net Yards per Attempt dropped from 7.7 to 6.9). In addition to improving his sack rate, Manning’s touchdown and interception rates were virtually identical, which means his decline was limited to pass attempts and yards per attempt.
We can break down the numbers on why his yards per attempt declined thanks to some additional data courtesy of NFLGSIS. In 2011, Manning averaged 8.4 yards per attempt. That was a result of three things: a 61.0% completion rate, 5.82 yards after the catch (per completion), and 7.92 Air Yards per Completed Pass. In 2012, Manning averaged 7.4 yards per attempt, with a 59.9% completion rate, 4.33 average YAC, and 7.97 Air Yards per Completed Pass.
The tiny drop in completion percentage is more than offset by the better sack rate, and if Manning was throwing incomplete passes instead of taking sacks, that’s a good thing. As for what happens when he completed a pass, his entire decline was in the form of yards after the catch. In 2011, he ranked 3rd in Air Yards per Completed Pass and 6th in YAC per completion; in 2012, he ranked 2nd in AY/CP and 30th in YAC per completion.
Now there’s some evidence to indicate YAC might be more on the quarterback than Air Yards. Other studies, and what I think is popular opinion, is that YAC is more about the receiver than the quarterback. But let’s further investigate why the Giants dipped in YAC. The table below shows a more precise breakdown. For both 2011 (in blue) and 2012 (in red), you can see the number of Receptions, Air Yards per Reception, YAC per reception, and Yards per Reception. The rows show each of the Giants top three receivers, top tight end, and top running back, along with the other players at wide receiver, tight end, and running back.
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In October 2009, Neil Paine wrote that Eli Manning had seemingly turned the corner, starting with the five-game stretch from week 17 of the 2007 season that ended in the Super Bowl. And since that post, Manning has been even better, with his 2011 season standing out as the best year of his career. I thought it would be fun to chart Eli’s career game-by-game according to ANY/A. Actually, since that chart would be incredibly volatile, I’m going to do it in five- and ten-game increments.
The chart below shows the average of Manning’s ANY/A in each of his last five games (playoffs included) beginning with the fifth game of his career in 2004. Of note: the black line represents the league average ANY/A (which, if we’re talking about the last 2 games of Year N and the first 3 games of Year N+1, is 40% of the Year N league average and 60% of the Year N+1 league average), and the two big purple dots show the two Super Bowl victories (or, more accurately, the Super Bowl win, the prior three playoff wins, and the week 17 game).
Doug ran that study in the midst of the 2004-05 playoffs, so it shouldn’t be surprising that Tom Brady (who was at the time 8-0 as a playoff starter and would run it to 10-0 before ever suffering a loss) came out on top, winning 3.5 more games than you’d expect from the particulars of the games he started. Fast-forward eight years, though, and you get this list of quarterbacks who debuted after 1977:
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Have you taken a look at a passing leaderboard lately? Here’s the PFR passing leaderboard sorted by ANY/A; as always, all columns are sortable.
Rk | QB | Tm | G | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | Y/A | AY/A | Y/C | Sk | Yds | NY/A | ANY/A | Sk% |
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1 | Peyton Manning | DEN | 6 | 154 | 227 | 67.8 | 1808 | 14 | 6.2 | 4 | 1.8 | 8 | 8.4 | 11.7 | 10 | 63 | 7.4 | 7.8 | 4.2 |
2 | Josh Freeman | TAM | 6 | 104 | 187 | 55.6 | 1538 | 11 | 5.9 | 5 | 2.7 | 8.2 | 8.2 | 14.8 | 9 | 65 | 7.5 | 7.5 | 4.6 |
3 | Eli Manning | NYG | 7 | 169 | 265 | 63.8 | 2109 | 12 | 4.5 | 7 | 2.6 | 8 | 7.7 | 12.5 | 5 | 40 | 7.7 | 7.4 | 1.9 |
4 | Robert Griffin III | WAS | 7 | 133 | 189 | 70.4 | 1601 | 7 | 3.7 | 3 | 1.6 | 8.5 | 8.5 | 12 | 15 | 106 | 7.3 | 7.4 | 7.4 |
5 | Drew Brees | NOR | 6 | 166 | 273 | 60.8 | 2097 | 18 | 6.6 | 7 | 2.6 | 7.7 | 7.8 | 12.6 | 12 | 86 | 7.1 | 7.2 | 4.2 |
6 | Ben Roethlisberger | PIT | 6 | 155 | 235 | 66 | 1765 | 11 | 4.7 | 3 | 1.3 | 7.5 | 7.9 | 11.4 | 13 | 72 | 6.8 | 7.2 | 5.2 |
7 | Tom Brady | NWE | 7 | 186 | 285 | 65.3 | 2104 | 12 | 4.2 | 3 | 1.1 | 7.4 | 7.8 | 11.3 | 14 | 96 | 6.7 | 7.1 | 4.7 |
8 | Aaron Rodgers | GNB | 7 | 183 | 262 | 69.8 | 1979 | 19 | 7.3 | 4 | 1.5 | 7.6 | 8.3 | 10.8 | 26 | 142 | 6.4 | 7.1 | 9 |
9 | Matt Schaub | HOU | 7 | 140 | 222 | 63.1 | 1650 | 10 | 4.5 | 4 | 1.8 | 7.4 | 7.5 | 11.8 | 8 | 59 | 6.9 | 7 | 3.5 |
10 | Jake Locker | TEN | 4 | 67 | 106 | 63.2 | 781 | 4 | 3.8 | 2 | 1.9 | 7.4 | 7.3 | 11.7 | 3 | 16 | 7 | 6.9 | 2.8 |
11 | Matt Ryan | ATL | 6 | 160 | 236 | 67.8 | 1756 | 14 | 5.9 | 6 | 2.5 | 7.4 | 7.5 | 11 | 13 | 107 | 6.6 | 6.7 | 5.2 |
12 | Carson Palmer | OAK | 6 | 148 | 241 | 61.4 | 1732 | 7 | 2.9 | 4 | 1.7 | 7.2 | 7 | 11.7 | 12 | 93 | 6.5 | 6.3 | 4.7 |
13 | Alex Smith | SFO | 7 | 127 | 190 | 66.8 | 1427 | 9 | 4.7 | 5 | 2.6 | 7.5 | 7.3 | 11.2 | 18 | 100 | 6.4 | 6.2 | 8.7 |
14 | Joe Flacco | BAL | 7 | 150 | 252 | 59.5 | 1837 | 9 | 3.6 | 6 | 2.4 | 7.3 | 6.9 | 12.2 | 18 | 110 | 6.4 | 6.1 | 6.7 |
15 | Andy Dalton | CIN | 7 | 156 | 243 | 64.2 | 1831 | 13 | 5.3 | 10 | 4.1 | 7.5 | 6.8 | 11.7 | 17 | 102 | 6.7 | 5.9 | 6.5 |
16 | Cam Newton | CAR | 6 | 101 | 173 | 58.4 | 1387 | 5 | 2.9 | 6 | 3.5 | 8 | 7 | 13.7 | 15 | 102 | 6.8 | 5.9 | 8 |
17 | Tony Romo | DAL | 6 | 150 | 221 | 67.9 | 1636 | 8 | 3.6 | 9 | 4.1 | 7.4 | 6.3 | 10.9 | 9 | 59 | 6.9 | 5.8 | 3.9 |
18 | Ryan Fitzpatrick | BUF | 7 | 133 | 218 | 61 | 1435 | 15 | 6.9 | 9 | 4.1 | 6.6 | 6.1 | 10.8 | 8 | 44 | 6.2 | 5.7 | 3.5 |
19 | Christian Ponder | MIN | 7 | 152 | 227 | 67 | 1492 | 9 | 4 | 6 | 2.6 | 6.6 | 6.2 | 9.8 | 16 | 68 | 5.9 | 5.5 | 6.6 |
20 | Sam Bradford | STL | 7 | 131 | 219 | 59.8 | 1592 | 7 | 3.2 | 6 | 2.7 | 7.3 | 6.7 | 12.2 | 21 | 131 | 6.1 | 5.5 | 8.8 |
21 | Ryan Tannehill | MIA | 6 | 118 | 198 | 59.6 | 1454 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 7.3 | 6.4 | 12.3 | 12 | 109 | 6.4 | 5.5 | 5.7 |
22 | Matthew Stafford | DET | 6 | 164 | 264 | 62.1 | 1754 | 5 | 1.9 | 6 | 2.3 | 6.6 | 6 | 10.7 | 12 | 86 | 6 | 5.4 | 4.3 |
23 | Michael Vick | PHI | 6 | 136 | 231 | 58.9 | 1632 | 8 | 3.5 | 8 | 3.5 | 7.1 | 6.2 | 12 | 17 | 90 | 6.2 | 5.4 | 6.9 |
24 | Andrew Luck | IND | 6 | 134 | 250 | 53.6 | 1674 | 7 | 2.8 | 7 | 2.8 | 6.7 | 6 | 12.5 | 16 | 99 | 5.9 | 5.3 | 6 |
25 | Mark Sanchez | NYJ | 7 | 116 | 218 | 53.2 | 1453 | 9 | 4.1 | 7 | 3.2 | 6.7 | 6 | 12.5 | 14 | 77 | 5.9 | 5.3 | 6 |
26 | Jay Cutler | CHI | 6 | 106 | 187 | 56.7 | 1359 | 8 | 4.3 | 7 | 3.7 | 7.3 | 6.4 | 12.8 | 19 | 121 | 6 | 5.3 | 9.2 |
27 | Russell Wilson | SEA | 7 | 104 | 175 | 59.4 | 1230 | 8 | 4.6 | 7 | 4 | 7 | 6.1 | 11.8 | 14 | 97 | 6 | 5.2 | 7.4 |
28 | Brandon Weeden | CLE | 7 | 154 | 272 | 56.6 | 1783 | 9 | 3.3 | 10 | 3.7 | 6.6 | 5.6 | 11.6 | 11 | 69 | 6.1 | 5.1 | 3.9 |
29 | Philip Rivers | SDG | 6 | 139 | 209 | 66.5 | 1492 | 10 | 4.8 | 9 | 4.3 | 7.1 | 6.2 | 10.7 | 18 | 118 | 6.1 | 5.1 | 7.9 |
30 | Kevin Kolb | ARI | 6 | 109 | 183 | 59.6 | 1169 | 8 | 4.4 | 3 | 1.6 | 6.4 | 6.5 | 10.7 | 27 | 159 | 4.8 | 4.9 | 12.9 |
31 | Matt Hasselbeck | TEN | 5 | 96 | 156 | 61.5 | 931 | 5 | 3.2 | 4 | 2.6 | 6 | 5.5 | 9.7 | 10 | 74 | 5.2 | 4.7 | 6 |
32 | Blaine Gabbert | JAX | 6 | 88 | 158 | 55.7 | 906 | 6 | 3.8 | 3 | 1.9 | 5.7 | 5.6 | 10.3 | 15 | 105 | 4.6 | 4.5 | 8.7 |
33 | Matt Cassel | KAN | 5 | 103 | 176 | 58.5 | 1150 | 5 | 2.8 | 9 | 5.1 | 6.5 | 4.8 | 11.2 | 13 | 74 | 5.7 | 4.1 | 6.9 |
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Public perception says that Manning is the better quarterback, based largely exclusively on his post-season success and reputation as a clutch quarterback. And there’s a good reason he has such a reputation: Manning has won 8 of his last 9 playoff games and tied NFL single-season records with seven 4th-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives in 2011. Romo has a reputation as the chokiest of chokers, is 1-3 in playoff games, and has been less stellar than Manning late in games. While Manning has 21 career 4th quarter comebacks and is 21-22 in games where he had an opportunity for a 4th quarter comeback, Romo is just 13-20 in 4th quarter comeback opportunities. But let’s leave that to the side for now.
Because based on their regular season statistics, Romo absolutely crushes Manning, at least statistically. The gap shrunk significantly in 2011, but Romo’s track record of production and efficiently is considerably more impressive. Manning entered the league in 2004 but struggled his first three years; Romo first started in 2006 and was above average immediately. But let’s just focus on the past five seasons. The table below displays the statistics each quarterback produced from 2007 to 2011. Note that since Romo has missed time due to injury, I have added a third row, which pro-rates Romo’s numbers to 80 starts:
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In 2006, I took a stab at ranking every quarterback in NFL history. Two years later, I acquired more data and made enough improvements to merit publishing an updated and more accurate list of the best quarterbacks the league has ever seen. In 2009, I tweaked the formula again, and published a set of career rankings, along with a set of strength of schedule, era and weather adjustments, and finally career rankings which include those adjustments and playoff performances.
If nothing else, that was three years ago, so the series was due for an update. I’ve also acquired more data, enabling me to tweak the formula to better reflect player performance. But let’s start today with an explanation of the methodology I’m using. To rank a group of players, you need to decide which metric you’re ordering the list by. I’ll get to all of the criteria I’m not using in a little bit, but the formula does use each of the following: pass attempts, passing touchdowns, passing yards, interceptions, sacks, sack yards lost, fumbles, fumbles recovered, rush attempts, rushing yards and rushing touchdowns. Most importantly, the formula is adjusted for era and league.
So where do we begin? We start with plain old yards per attempt. I then incorporate sack data by removing sack yards from the numerator and adding sacks to the denominator [1]I have individual sack data for every quarterback since 1969. For seasons before then, I have team sack data going back to 1949. For seasons before 1950, I ignored sacks; for seasons between 1950 … Continue reading. To include touchdowns and pass attempts, I gave a quarterback 20 yards for each passing touchdown and subtracted 45 yards for each interception. This calculation — (Pass Yards + 20 * PTD – 45 * INT – Sack Yards Lost) / (Sacks + Pass Attempts) forms the basis for Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt, one of the key metrics I use to evaluate quarterbacks.For purposes of this study, I did some further tweaking. I’m including rushing touchdowns, because our goal is to measure quarterbacks as players. There’s no reason to separate rushing and passing touchdowns from a value standpoint, so all passing and rushing touchdowns are worth 20 yards and are calculated in the numerator of Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt. To be consistent, I also include rushing touchdowns in the denominator of the equation. This won’t change anything for most quarterbacks, but feels right to me. A touchdown is a touchdown.
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References
↑1 | I have individual sack data for every quarterback since 1969. For seasons before then, I have team sack data going back to 1949. For seasons before 1950, I ignored sacks; for seasons between 1950 and 1969, I gave each quarterback an approximate number of sacks, giving him the pro-rated portion of sacks allowed by the percentage of pass attempts he threw for the team. While imperfect, I thought this “fix” to be better than to ignore the data completely, especially for years where one quarterback was responsible for the vast majority of his team’s pass attempts. |
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No, this article isn’t an article about quarterbacks squaring off against ancient Greek mathematicians. Today, we’re going to look at quarterback win-loss records and see how they compare to their Pythagorean win-loss records.
Over 30 years ago, Bill James wrote that, on average, baseball teams’ true strengths could be measured more accurately by looking at runs scored and runs allowed than by looking at wins and losses. Since then, sports statisticians have applied the same thinking to all sports. The formula to calculate a team’s Pythagorean winning percentage is always some variation of:
(Points Scored^2) / (Points Scored ^2 + Points Allowed^2)
With the exponent changing from 2 to whatever number best fits the data for the particular sport. In football, that number is 2.53. We can look, for example, at the Pythagorean records for each team in the league last season, and line it up against their actual record:
Year | Tm | Record | Win% | PF | PA | Pyth Wins | Diff |
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2011 | KAN | 7-9 | 0.438 | 212 | 338 | 3.76 | 3.24 |
2011 | GNB | 15-1 | 0.938 | 560 | 359 | 12.08 | 2.92 |
2011 | DEN | 8-8 | 0.500 | 309 | 390 | 5.71 | 2.29 |
2011 | OAK | 8-8 | 0.500 | 359 | 433 | 6.14 | 1.86 |
2011 | NWE | 13-3 | 0.813 | 513 | 342 | 11.78 | 1.22 |
2011 | NYG | 9-7 | 0.563 | 394 | 400 | 7.85 | 1.15 |
2011 | ARI | 8-8 | 0.500 | 312 | 348 | 6.9 | 1.1 |
2011 | TAM | 4-12 | 0.250 | 287 | 494 | 3.23 | 0.77 |
2011 | TEN | 9-7 | 0.563 | 325 | 317 | 8.25 | 0.75 |
2011 | NOR | 13-3 | 0.813 | 547 | 339 | 12.33 | 0.67 |
2011 | BAL | 12-4 | 0.750 | 378 | 266 | 11.34 | 0.66 |
2011 | ATL | 10-6 | 0.625 | 402 | 350 | 9.39 | 0.61 |
2011 | SFO | 13-3 | 0.813 | 380 | 229 | 12.52 | 0.48 |
2011 | CIN | 9-7 | 0.563 | 344 | 323 | 8.64 | 0.36 |
2011 | PIT | 12-4 | 0.750 | 325 | 227 | 11.4 | 0.6 |
2011 | MIA | 6-10 | 0.375 | 329 | 313 | 8.5 | -2.5 |
2011 | MIN | 3-13 | 0.188 | 340 | 449 | 5.3 | -2.3 |
2011 | PHI | 8-8 | 0.500 | 396 | 328 | 9.87 | -1.87 |
2011 | CAR | 6-10 | 0.375 | 406 | 429 | 7.44 | -1.44 |
2011 | SEA | 7-9 | 0.438 | 321 | 315 | 8.19 | -1.19 |
2011 | IND | 2-14 | 0.125 | 243 | 430 | 3.05 | -1.05 |
2011 | HOU | 10-6 | 0.625 | 381 | 278 | 11.03 | -1.03 |
2011 | SDG | 8-8 | 0.500 | 406 | 377 | 8.75 | -0.75 |
2011 | CLE | 4-12 | 0.250 | 218 | 307 | 4.74 | -0.74 |
2011 | WAS | 5-11 | 0.313 | 288 | 367 | 5.62 | -0.62 |
2011 | DAL | 8-8 | 0.500 | 369 | 347 | 8.62 | -0.62 |
2011 | BUF | 6-10 | 0.375 | 372 | 434 | 6.46 | -0.46 |
2011 | NYJ | 8-8 | 0.500 | 377 | 363 | 8.38 | -0.38 |
2011 | CHI | 8-8 | 0.500 | 353 | 341 | 8.35 | -0.35 |
2011 | STL | 2-14 | 0.125 | 193 | 407 | 2.1 | -0.1 |
2011 | JAX | 5-11 | 0.313 | 243 | 329 | 5.08 | -0.08 |
2011 | DET | 10-6 | 0.625 | 474 | 387 | 10.01 | -0.01 |
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As far as football goes, today’s a good time for a data dump. The table below shows the career passing leaders for each franchise, organized by when the current leader last played for that team.
Team | Yards | Quarterback | Last Yr |
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NWE | 39979 | Tom Brady | – |
NOR | 28394 | Drew Brees | – |
HOU | 16903 | Matt Schaub | – |
BAL | 13816 | Joe Flacco | – |
IND | 54828 | Peyton Manning | 2011 |
SEA | 29434 | Matt Hasselbeck | 2010 |
PHI | 32873 | Donovan McNabb | 2009 |
CAR | 19258 | Jake Delhomme | 2009 |
GNB | 61655 | Brett Favre | 2007 |
JAX | 25698 | Mark Brunell | 2003 |
DAL | 32942 | Troy Aikman | 2000 |
MIA | 61361 | Dan Marino | 1999 |
DEN | 51475 | John Elway | 1998 |
BUF | 35467 | Jim Kelly | 1996 |
TEN | 33685 | Warren Moon | 1993 |
NYG | 33462 | Phil Simms | 1993 |
STL | 23758 | Jim Everett | 1993 |
SFO | 35124 | Joe Montana | 1992 |
TAM | 14820 | Vinny Testaverde | 1992 |
SDG | 43040 | Dan Fouts | 1987 |
CIN | 32838 | Ken Anderson | 1986 |
WAS | 25206 | Joe Theismann | 1985 |
ATL | 23470 | Steve Bartkowski | 1985 |
ARI | 34639 | Jim Hart | 1983 |
PIT | 27989 | Terry Bradshaw | 1983 |
CLE | 23713 | Brian Sipe | 1983 |
OAK | 19078 | Ken Stabler | 1979 |
MIN | 33098 | Fran Tarkenton | 1978 |
NYJ | 27057 | Joe Namath | 1976 |
KAN | 28507 | Len Dawson | 1975 |
DET | 15710 | Bobby Layne | 1958 |
CHI | 14686 | Sid Luckman | 1950 |